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		<title>By: mgkimsal</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-70175</link>
		<dc:creator>mgkimsal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Phil!

I didn&#039;t have many questions where I felt I&#039;d need the manual for parameter order, but that&#039;s the nature of randomized questions - we didn&#039;t answer exactly the same questions.   I do feel it&#039;s a bit out of date (5.1 v 5.2) although there&#039;s not much in the test that was &#039;minor version specific&#039; as I recall.

Welcome to the fold!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Phil!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have many questions where I felt I&#8217;d need the manual for parameter order, but that&#8217;s the nature of randomized questions &#8211; we didn&#8217;t answer exactly the same questions.   I do feel it&#8217;s a bit out of date (5.1 v 5.2) although there&#8217;s not much in the test that was &#8216;minor version specific&#8217; as I recall.</p>
<p>Welcome to the fold!  <img src='http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-70174</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the PHP5 exam today myself:
http://philfreo.com/blog/php5-zend-certified-engineer/

Overall it was actually harder than I expected (although I passed).  A lot of the questions I felt were impractical without the PHP reference manual (for looking up function parameter lists, for example), but overall I feel like it was a pretty good test of the language</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the PHP5 exam today myself:<br />
<a href="http://philfreo.com/blog/php5-zend-certified-engineer/" rel="nofollow">http://philfreo.com/blog/php5-zend-certified-engineer/</a></p>
<p>Overall it was actually harder than I expected (although I passed).  A lot of the questions I felt were impractical without the PHP reference manual (for looking up function parameter lists, for example), but overall I feel like it was a pretty good test of the language</p>
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		<title>By: Rajesh</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-66452</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 12:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,
       I am new to PHP. To get good knowledge in PHP i am planning to attempt ZCE. Could anyone  share their experiences on ZCE. Please tell me the books to refer for ZCE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,<br />
       I am new to PHP. To get good knowledge in PHP i am planning to attempt ZCE. Could anyone  share their experiences on ZCE. Please tell me the books to refer for ZCE.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon H</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-55499</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting subject. I kicked around &lt;a href=&quot;http://pointbeing.net/weblog/2008/08/some-thoughts-on-testing-developers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some thoughts on testing developers&lt;/a&gt; a while ago, and only concluded that while it&#039;s easy to criticise testing methods, it&#039;s probably almost impossible to come up with a better way.

I&#039;ve since done the ZCE, as my employer was paying, and much like you, found some of the questions ambiguous - some were either typos or trick questions, and it was impossible to know which of those two rather unsatisfactory conclusions to draw.

Either way, I don&#039;t believe it proves much in itself. I&#039;d rather a candidate bring a respectable degree, a stack of experience and a lot of common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting subject. I kicked around <a href="http://pointbeing.net/weblog/2008/08/some-thoughts-on-testing-developers.html" rel="nofollow">some thoughts on testing developers</a> a while ago, and only concluded that while it&#8217;s easy to criticise testing methods, it&#8217;s probably almost impossible to come up with a better way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve since done the ZCE, as my employer was paying, and much like you, found some of the questions ambiguous &#8211; some were either typos or trick questions, and it was impossible to know which of those two rather unsatisfactory conclusions to draw.</p>
<p>Either way, I don&#8217;t believe it proves much in itself. I&#8217;d rather a candidate bring a respectable degree, a stack of experience and a lot of common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kimsal</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-45620</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kimsal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve taken the ZCE (php5) and passed.  My experience was that it was still somewhat frustrating.  There was at least one question which I know had no &#039;right&#039; answer (or so poorly worded that the &#039;correct&#039; answer was lost in the presentation).  I&#039;ve no idea how many I got right, but I did &#039;pass&#039;.  To my surprise there were *no* questions about parameter order, so perhaps that earlier criticism has been addressed.  

I spent about 10 minutes of the test time writing feedback comments on the questions to express my confusion at the wording of the question or of the answers.  I will also go on record that there were a few questions I had that asked things like &quot;the best way to do X is _____&quot; - extremely subjective, and arguments could be persuasively made for multiple answers.  This is a gift/curse I have - to see any and all possible ambiguities.  Not having anyone to ask for clarification made the stress of taking a timed test worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve taken the ZCE (php5) and passed.  My experience was that it was still somewhat frustrating.  There was at least one question which I know had no &#8216;right&#8217; answer (or so poorly worded that the &#8216;correct&#8217; answer was lost in the presentation).  I&#8217;ve no idea how many I got right, but I did &#8216;pass&#8217;.  To my surprise there were *no* questions about parameter order, so perhaps that earlier criticism has been addressed.  </p>
<p>I spent about 10 minutes of the test time writing feedback comments on the questions to express my confusion at the wording of the question or of the answers.  I will also go on record that there were a few questions I had that asked things like &#8220;the best way to do X is _____&#8221; &#8211; extremely subjective, and arguments could be persuasively made for multiple answers.  This is a gift/curse I have &#8211; to see any and all possible ambiguities.  Not having anyone to ask for clarification made the stress of taking a timed test worse.</p>
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		<title>By: mgkimsal</title>
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		<dc:creator>mgkimsal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kiran:

The market&#039;s pretty hoppin&#039; right now.  The biggest drawback is that the salary/payment range for PHP developers, on the whole, doesn&#039;t seem to be quite as high as for Java or .Net developers.  This is just my experience, but there seem to be more positions Java/.Net positions which pay a higher amount (say, for example, over $100,000US per year) than PHP positions.  That&#039;s not to say there are no high paying PHP positions, but not as many of them, on average.

Many organizations have grown up with PHP over the past several years than they have a significant investment in it, and are reluctant to throw it all away and start over.  So the market for people with strong PHP skills who can come in and take over older code and continue to work with it will be strong for the next several years, at least.  

As a slight plug,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://phpjobbook.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my new book&lt;/a&gt; talks about the PHP job market.  It&#039;s aimed at early- to mid-stage developers.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kiran:</p>
<p>The market&#8217;s pretty hoppin&#8217; right now.  The biggest drawback is that the salary/payment range for PHP developers, on the whole, doesn&#8217;t seem to be quite as high as for Java or .Net developers.  This is just my experience, but there seem to be more positions Java/.Net positions which pay a higher amount (say, for example, over $100,000US per year) than PHP positions.  That&#8217;s not to say there are no high paying PHP positions, but not as many of them, on average.</p>
<p>Many organizations have grown up with PHP over the past several years than they have a significant investment in it, and are reluctant to throw it all away and start over.  So the market for people with strong PHP skills who can come in and take over older code and continue to work with it will be strong for the next several years, at least.  </p>
<p>As a slight plug,  <a href="http://phpjobbook.com" rel="nofollow">my new book</a> talks about the PHP job market.  It&#8217;s aimed at early- to mid-stage developers.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: kiran</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-37716</link>
		<dc:creator>kiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi all,
i m new php programmer so that i very conscious about the php.
Can anybody tell me what are the job opportunities for PHP pro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all,<br />
i m new php programmer so that i very conscious about the php.<br />
Can anybody tell me what are the job opportunities for PHP pro.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton Dickson</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-35813</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlton Dickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 10:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Evert - I agree that the test should not rely on memorising parameters when in the real world you have the PHP manual open in your browser all day long

I&#039;m currently studying for the exam, hoping to take it late June...so far the ZCE has forced me to learn things you miss out on when just using the PHP manual as a reference point, detailed sections on things like Arrays, Strings, Type conversion were overlooked and often caused problems during development but now understanding exactly how the language works I feel has made me a better developer because of my increased understanding...and anything which gives me the edge over another developer in an interview and ability to hustle boss into a pay rise MUST be a good thing right???

@Richard - ZCE defo shows you are in touch with industry and have the basic understanding which is sometimes missed when people are self taught...I think problem solving skills should also be tested too to ensure the candidate can apply their knowledge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Evert &#8211; I agree that the test should not rely on memorising parameters when in the real world you have the PHP manual open in your browser all day long</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently studying for the exam, hoping to take it late June&#8230;so far the ZCE has forced me to learn things you miss out on when just using the PHP manual as a reference point, detailed sections on things like Arrays, Strings, Type conversion were overlooked and often caused problems during development but now understanding exactly how the language works I feel has made me a better developer because of my increased understanding&#8230;and anything which gives me the edge over another developer in an interview and ability to hustle boss into a pay rise MUST be a good thing right???</p>
<p>@Richard &#8211; ZCE defo shows you are in touch with industry and have the basic understanding which is sometimes missed when people are self taught&#8230;I think problem solving skills should also be tested too to ensure the candidate can apply their knowledge</p>
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		<title>By: Rb</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-35744</link>
		<dc:creator>Rb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: I took the PHP architect PHP 5 certification class, studied the PHP 5 Zend certification guide,  took the online practice tests and passed.  I have been coding PHP for 6 years. Yet I failed the Zend certification test. The test feedback was non-existent. 

I feel I am a better coder because I have studied. I will not waste my time to take the Zend Certification exam again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: I took the PHP architect PHP 5 certification class, studied the PHP 5 Zend certification guide,  took the online practice tests and passed.  I have been coding PHP for 6 years. Yet I failed the Zend certification test. The test feedback was non-existent. </p>
<p>I feel I am a better coder because I have studied. I will not waste my time to take the Zend Certification exam again.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Godel</title>
		<link>http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/php-certification-views/comment-page-1/#comment-35730</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Godel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve over 10 years of experience with PHP development. I took the PHP5 ZCE and I was surprised at how challenging it was. I am in charge of recruiting PHP developers and even though the ZCE does not help on many areas, I would definitively pay more attention to someone who is ZCE certified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve over 10 years of experience with PHP development. I took the PHP5 ZCE and I was surprised at how challenging it was. I am in charge of recruiting PHP developers and even though the ZCE does not help on many areas, I would definitively pay more attention to someone who is ZCE certified.</p>
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