Comments on: Looking in to Erlang http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/ Web development and new media observations Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:16:27 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Matthew Turland http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/comment-page-1/#comment-41909 Matthew Turland Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:40:10 +0000 http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/?p=588#comment-41909 From my perspective, it seems that shared hosting is slowly losing ground to VPS systems. Virtualization is gaining wider adoption and seems to be the way of the future with the advent of cloud computing. As such, I'd expect that it's going to become more common for you to be able to run whatever you can administrate on your own virtual server in the coming years. I've used A Small Orange for hosting in the past any they offer VPS service now for what I think is a reasonable price. http://www.asmallorange.com/services/vps/ From my perspective, it seems that shared hosting is slowly losing ground to VPS systems. Virtualization is gaining wider adoption and seems to be the way of the future with the advent of cloud computing. As such, I’d expect that it’s going to become more common for you to be able to run whatever you can administrate on your own virtual server in the coming years. I’ve used A Small Orange for hosting in the past any they offer VPS service now for what I think is a reasonable price. http://www.asmallorange.com/services/vps/

]]> By: Mark http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/comment-page-1/#comment-39914 Mark Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:15:47 +0000 http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/?p=588#comment-39914 We need to see hosting providers that have nothing but erlang... or lighthttpd, or RoR by default for every vhost. Right now, any erlang app is going to be highly specialized since the deployment opportunities are so specialized (i.e. not cheap hosts). Even if you have access to your own server, you have to kick off apache, or use some complex work arounds to dodge apache. When are the hosting companies going to provide niche hosting platforms? I would even be okay with it if they wanted to call them "micro-platforms" or something dumb like that. When are hosting control panels going to let go of LAMP... or at least recognize other forms of hosting besides LAMP? We need to see hosting providers that have nothing but erlang… or lighthttpd, or RoR by default for every vhost.

Right now, any erlang app is going to be highly specialized since the deployment opportunities are so specialized (i.e. not cheap hosts). Even if you have access to your own server, you have to kick off apache, or use some complex work arounds to dodge apache.

When are the hosting companies going to provide niche hosting platforms? I would even be okay with it if they wanted to call them “micro-platforms” or something dumb like that.

When are hosting control panels going to let go of LAMP… or at least recognize other forms of hosting besides LAMP?

]]> By: Casey http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/comment-page-1/#comment-39699 Casey Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:07:17 +0000 http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/?p=588#comment-39699 Just out of curiosity, what's the difference between Haskell and Erlang with respect to this? Both seem to be very similar languages and Haskell seems to be a bit more efficient with respect to concurrency, at least when you look at the <a href="http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=threadring&lang=all" rel="nofollow">Computer Language Shootout.</a> Just out of curiosity, what’s the difference between Haskell and Erlang with respect to this? Both seem to be very similar languages and Haskell seems to be a bit more efficient with respect to concurrency, at least when you look at the Computer Language Shootout.

]]> By: daaku http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/comment-page-1/#comment-39617 daaku Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:54:08 +0000 http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/?p=588#comment-39617 The major difference with the share-nothing behavior of PHP and erlang is the the erlang process is share-nothing but yet long lived. Python, Ruby, Perl when using the more common web frameworks use a long lived instance of the interpreter to serve requests. But erlang's strength is not the shared nothing behavior itself, its the other benefits it brings with it - like transparent preemptive parallelization. In erlang, you dont think of threads at all, leaving all the complexity associated with it. Erlang is useful when you need massive concurrency, services that never shut down (the OTP libraries), and need hot code loading (think MMORPG game servers that need to be upgraded without disconnecting users). The major difference with the share-nothing behavior of PHP and erlang is the the erlang process is share-nothing but yet long lived. Python, Ruby, Perl when using the more common web frameworks use a long lived instance of the interpreter to serve requests.

But erlang’s strength is not the shared nothing behavior itself, its the other benefits it brings with it – like transparent preemptive parallelization. In erlang, you dont think of threads at all, leaving all the complexity associated with it.

Erlang is useful when you need massive concurrency, services that never shut down (the OTP libraries), and need hot code loading (think MMORPG game servers that need to be upgraded without disconnecting users).

]]> By: Robin Mehner http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/comment-page-1/#comment-39577 Robin Mehner Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:19:16 +0000 http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/?p=588#comment-39577 Erlang is a slightly bit more than "shared nothing". It's more about parallel programming. A "soon to be more famous" project that uses Erlang is CouchDB, definetly worth a look. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/erlang-software-for-a-concurrent-world is another very interesting source for erlang ... it's also a very good starting point for Erlang. The language itself has a very diffent approach than PHP has. Erlang is a slightly bit more than “shared nothing”. It’s more about parallel programming. A “soon to be more famous” project that uses Erlang is CouchDB, definetly worth a look.

http://www.infoq.com/presentations/erlang-software-for-a-concurrent-world is another very interesting source for erlang … it’s also a very good starting point for Erlang. The language itself has a very diffent approach than PHP has.

]]> By: Eduard http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/comment-page-1/#comment-39576 Eduard Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:03:45 +0000 http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/?p=588#comment-39576 @Thomas: take a look at twoorl (http://twoorl.com) - erlang twitter-like site. @Thomas: take a look at twoorl (http://twoorl.com) – erlang twitter-like site.

]]> By: Thomas http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/looking-in-to-erlang/comment-page-1/#comment-39571 Thomas Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:49:14 +0000 http://michaelkimsal.com/blog/?p=588#comment-39571 All I'm gonna say is that Yaws looks pretty kick-ass. And if I ever do set out to build a site for many, many users (Twitter-esque) or for simulations, I'll take a long, hard look at Erlang. I've fiddled with it before, and it's a nice little language. It's just not necessary for the sort of stuff I'm working on at the moment. All I’m gonna say is that Yaws looks pretty kick-ass. And if I ever do set out to build a site for many, many users (Twitter-esque) or for simulations, I’ll take a long, hard look at Erlang. I’ve fiddled with it before, and it’s a nice little language. It’s just not necessary for the sort of stuff I’m working on at the moment.

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